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The Old and Forgotten

January 28th, 2008 · 2 Comments

Mike Podhorzer

A look at five 35+ year-old veteran hitters who might be undervalued at your draft.

First, I’ll start with a quick introduction about myself. My name is Mike Podhorzer, I’m 25 years old, and I’ve been playing fantasy baseball for over 10 years. I live in New Jersey, but I’m a Braves fan, and it needs to be said that Paul Konerko is my favorite player, thanks to the wonderful world of card collecting. I’ve always loved numbers and baseball is the ultimate game of numbers and statistics. So, naturally, I became a fantasy baseball addict. Now, on to my first (of many, hopefully) column…

Does drafting a “boring” over-the-hill veteran with no perceived upside make you cringe? There are many fantasy owners who refuse to draft anyone other than young, exciting players who have substantial upside. This spells opportunity for you to swoop in and grab the older veteran that might come cheaply. Below is a list of 5 hitters who are 35+ who could be undervalued at your draft, whether coming cheaply at auction, or dropping too far in a straight draft. The Dollar Value I list is from CBS Sports’ projected $$ values for a 5×5 12-team mixed league. I include this to support the possibility the below hitters will be undervalued.

Legend (all metrics from The Baseball Forecaster):
BB%- Walk Rate
CT%- Contact Rate
BABIP- Batting Average on Balls in Play
xBA- Expected Batting Average (a formula by John Burnson combining Contact Rate, GB/LD/FB rates, Power Index, and Speed Index)
PX- Linear Weighted Power Index (using a base of 100, compares hitter’s power to the rest of the league)
HR/F- Home Runs per Fly Ball Rate, or the percent of fly balls that are hit for HRs

Carlos Delgado, 1B, Age: 35, $6
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AB

R HR RBI SB AVG BB% CT% BABIP xBA PX

HR/F

‘05

521

81

33

115

0

.301

12

77

34

.320

186

22%

‘06

524

89

38

114

0

.265

12

77

28

.297

168

23%

‘07

538

71

24

87

4

.258

9

78

29

.265

122

13%

‘07- 1st Half

287

35

11

42

2

.223

7

78

25

.256

112

11%

‘07- 2nd Half

251

36

13

45

2

.299

11

78

34

.273

133

16%

By all
measures, Delgado was a bust in 2007, and at age 35, many might expect the decline to continue. However, if we look closely, especially at his 1H/2H splits, you see that it was really just a terrible 1H. In the 2nd half, his walk rate bounced back to levels close to his previous 2 seasons, his BABIP rebounded to make up for his unlucky 1st half, his PX crept closer to his ’06, as did his HR/F rate. Clearly Delgado is declining, but in a solid lineup, and coming off a better 2nd half, we might see a small rebound from him in ’08, with his HR total closer to 30 than 20.

Raul Ibanez, OF, Age: 35, $7
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AB

R HR RBI SB AVG BB% CT% BABIP xBA PX

HR/F

‘05

614

92

20

89

9

.280

10

84

31

.287

98

12%

‘06

626

103

33

123

2

.289

9

82

31

.294

132

17%

‘07

573

80

21

105

0

.291

8

83

32

.283

118

13%

‘07- 1st Half

257

39

6

49

0

.280

8

86

31

.281

101

7%

‘07- 2nd Half

316

41

15

56

0

.301

9

81

33

.285

133

15%

After a career fantasy year in ’06, many owners were probably disappointed by Ibanez’ ’07 season. However, it is rare that a 34 year old would reach a new skill level and maintain it for the next couple of years. What fueled his ’06 was an aberrant HR/F of 17%, way above his norms. The ’07 season was same old steady Ibanez. A big 2nd half saved a potential big bust season, after only hitting 6 HRs in the 1st half. Other than a declining walk rate, there seem to be no real signs of an impending big decline. So expect another “boring” season from Ibanez in ’08.

Jeff Kent, 2B, Age: 40, $5
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AB

R HR RBI SB AVG BB% CT% BABIP xBA PX

HR/F

‘05

553

100

29

105

6

.289

12

85

30

.297

136

13%

‘06

407

61

14

68

1

.292

12

83

32

.282

111

10%

‘07

494

78

20

79

1

.302

10

88

31

.291

118

10%

‘07- 1st Half

259

41

10

36

1

.259

11

86

27

.278

114

10%

‘07- 2nd Half

235

37

10

43

0

.349

10

90

36

.303

123

11%

At age 40, Kent has been remarkably consistent, still producing a stable skill set. Health is probably the biggest worry right now, as he seems to randomly miss games here and there. However, with no real negative trends, other than a decline in his walk rate, another similar season to his ’07 should be expected. Kent’s low 1H average was driven by a fluky 27% hit rate, which corrected itself in the 2nd half. We even saw a nice spike in contact rate that improved even more in the 2nd half. With the addition of Andruw Jones, and talk of the Dodgers’ best hitters crazily all being slotted towards the end of the lineup, Kent could see some extra runs and might very well score more than he drives in.

Frank Thomas, DH, Age: 39, $2
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AB

R HR RBI SB AVG BB% CT% BABIP xBA PX

HR/F

‘05

105

19

12

26

0

.219

13

71

17

.287*

179*

22%*

‘06

466

77

39

114

0

.270

15

83

25

.288

145

18%

‘07

531

63

26

95

0

.277

13

82

29

.268

127

11%

‘07- 1st Half

240

31

12

34

0

.238

17

81

25

.250

113

11%

‘07- 2nd Half

291

32

14

61

0

.309

10

84

33

.282

137

11%

*Metrics include at bats in the Minors

Frank Thomas is one of my favorite players and I will be rooting loudly for him when HOF voting comes around, being one of the best hitters of all-time in my opinion. But back to the ’08 season- Thomas is clearly declining, with a falling walk rate, expected batting average, PX, and HR/F. The lone bit of good news is that his contact rate has remained steady and is much improved from the ’03-’05 seasons when it was below 80%. The PX did rebound in the 2nd half, and his average improved after his BABIP reverted to the mean. Thomas should hit cleanup again and produce solid RBI totals, while still providing 20+ HRs. The run total won’t help as he’s as slow as molasses and will get pinch-run for late. The DH-only eligibility also limits his value, but he should still remain a solid, cheap source of power and RBIs, while not really hurting your average too much.

Jim Thome, DH, Age: 37, $9
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AB

R HR RBI SB AVG BB% CT% BABIP xBA PX

HR/F

‘05

193

26

7

30

0

.207

19

69

26

.227

105

14%

‘06

490

108

42

109

0

.288

18

70

33

.293

204

28%

‘07

432

79

35

96

0

.275

18

69

32

.282

197

30%

‘07- 1st Half

145

25

10

30

0

.283

24

67

36

.272

178

34%

‘07- 2nd Half

287

54

25

66

0

.272

15

70

30

.288

207

28%

Another DH-only eligible player, Thome has continued to post elite power skills, finishing with a 197 PX in ’07. This is another skill set yet to see any obvious indications of a pending decline. The walk rate has remained steady, as has the contact rate and BABIP. His expected batting average is right in line with his actual averages, and his HR/F hasn’t fallen off at all, actually matching his ’03 season when he hit 47 HRs. The only real warning sign is his inability to hit lefties, as he hit only .196 versus them in ’07. The worry is that he begins losing playing time against them and becomes a platoon player, but that would help his average anyway. However, I’d be giving Ozzie Guillen too much credit to even consider that he is aware of Thome’s platoon splits. With an improved Sox lineup, the only thing in the way of another 30-homer season for Thome is his health, of course.

With that said, I’m obviously not suggesting you load up on undervalued veterans. I just wanted to highlight the fact that older hitters shouldn’t automatically be avoided. Many still have a stable skill set that you could pick up cheaper than the stats warrant because everyone is always so enamored with drafting the next Ryan Braun.

Questions, comments, criticisms, praise, expert league invitations? Email me at FBGeneralsMike@gmail.com.

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2 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ratdog // Jan 30, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Mike,
    Nice first article. I, too, feel that many undervalued older guys can contribute…which makes for some great values to be had at one’s draft/auction. I would also like to point out a couple of guys that you have not mentioned:

    Sheffield: OBP monster
    Griffey: Always the enigma, but if over 450 PA’s his numbers will be strong

    To truly gauge the present value of the guys in your article, I will use Mock draft Central’s current ADP(average draft position). For the position players, I will include the guys that are sandwiching your 35+ guys are that position. I have not done this with the DH guys, since that really has no value.

    Delgado: ADP = 127, sandwiched by: Helton (120) and Loney (131)

    Kent: ADP = 142, sandwiched by: Kendrick (121) and Polanco (169)

    For R. Ibanez, I have included the two OF’s above and two below his current ADP:

    Ibanez: ADP = 141, with Kemp (131) and Rowand (138) ABOVE and Griffey (143) and Burrell (148) BELOW.

    F. Thomas: ADP = 230

    Thome: ADP = 99

    From the above ADP’s, Thomas has the greatest value of the players you mentioned, followed by Ibanez. You can also see how your point of other team owners going after that “sexy” pick is reflected in Kemp’s ADP of 131. If you’re in a redraft league, there is some real value to be had with Ibanez.

    Keep up the articles Mike!

  • 2 Mike Podhorzer // Jan 31, 2008 at 4:03 am

    Hey ratdog, thanks for the praise. I initially listed guys like Sheffield and Griffey, but decided they were too injury prone, and much more so than the guys i ended up listing.

    Your inclusion of ADP data is very interesting. It seems as though the vets may not be dropping as far as i thought. But of course every league is different.

    Matt Kemp is also an interesting player as he’s everyone’s huge sleeper, yet isn’t even guaranteed a full-time job, but still being drafted as if his job is locked up.

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